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naturalbornmudder
02-03-2009, 10:18 PM
Most guys I wheel with aren't the type of folks who can drop 10 grand on custom front and rear axles with pre-loaded gears and selectable lockers, ready to bolt in.
So for those of us who plug away at our upgrades, looking to stretch a dollar, this thread is for you.:)

First, if you are looking to replace an axle with an upgrade, you must have already identified your current set-up is too weak of an application for your rig and wheeling style.
Speciman:
1995 Jeep ZJ
5.2L 220hp V-8
Axles: Dana 30/Dana 35 3.73 geared
http://www.jeeps-offroad.com/image-hosting/main.php?g2_view=core.DownloadItem&g2_itemId=10470&g2_serialNumber=2&g2_GALLERYSID=3f1ad7db34381d8f01fc0371b1d120b8

http://www.jeeps-offroad.com/image-hosting/main.php?g2_view=core.DownloadItem&g2_itemId=11018&g2_serialNumber=2&g2_GALLERYSID=3f1ad7db34381d8f01fc0371b1d120b8
moderate wheeling on the trails will probably end up resulting in rear axle failure.

Now if you don't already know, the Dana 35 is not known for surviving well in moderate to heavy wheeling situations. It's C-clip style axleshafts tend to break right at the final neckdown before the splined portion that slides into the differential carrier.
When the shaft does break, the C clip can no longer hold the axleshaft(and tire bolted to it) inside of the housing, thus having your tire and splintered axleshaft walk out of the housing and making it so you can't even effectively tow yourself off the trail.


So the fun begins. What axle to replace it? I had quite a few options for strength, like the Chevy 12 bolt, Dana 60, Chrysler 9.25, Ford 9",etc. However, bolt pattern was an issue, as was axle width. I needed to find something close to my stock axle width to avoid having to use spacers, which can tend to come loose. I also did not want to run a different bolt pattrn because I only carry 1 spare tire with me and did not want to worry about bolt pattern differentiation.
I ended up coming across a Dana 44 out of a 1987 Jeep Cherokee XJ which cooincidentally has the same bolt pattern and same axle width as my current Dana 35 axle. This particular one I came across in a Pick n' Pull in Roseville Ca on Memorial Day weekend when all axles were 50% off. I felt like a kid in a candy store. I ended up paying $68 dollars for my junkyard XJ 44! Directy beside my donor XJ was a 1996 Ford Explorer with the rear 8.8 axle, 31 spline shafts rear disc brakes. In retrospect, I should have bought both just because of the price.

NOTE OF ADVICE: when scalping a junkyard axle, make sure to get everything attached to it. Diff Breather line, brake lines, the brass brake line routing block with breather nipple(iff applicable), E brake cables, yokes, etc. The more you grab now, the more successfull you will be at making you donor functional.

Anyway, the next order of business is how are you going to bolt the donor axle under your existing rig? The XJ 44 was a leaf sprung axle, whereas my existing Dana 35 is a coil sprung control-arm-secured axle. You can either order custom-fabbed aftermarket bracket and spring buckets, fab them all yourself custom, or in my case, cut off the existing brackets you already have on your stock axle. In my case, I got a freebie housing and cut the brackets off of it.
Remember though, don't just start cutting. Measure first. then measure again, then document, and finally cut. You want to have exact locations where your stock bracketry belonged before you start cutting it off of the axle tubes.
Example:
http://www.jeeps-offroad.com/image-hosting/main.php?g2_view=core.DownloadItem&g2_itemId=11012&g2_serialNumber=2&g2_GALLERYSID=3f1ad7db34381d8f01fc0371b1d120b8

Since I was not concerned with the placement of the leaf spring mounts on the XJ 44 axle, I cut them off with a plazma cutter and sawzall. Make sure to grind down everything flush once you cut it off. Also, with all surfaces that will need welded to, the cleaner your area, the better your welds

naturalbornmudder
02-06-2009, 10:20 PM
next for me was deciding what to put in my junkyard 44. I decided two things:
First, I needed to be locked.
Second, I needed 3.73's to match my front ARB'ed Dana 30

I wanted to be locked, but on the cheap. Why? Because the 3.73 wasn't going to be my final ratio nor the final rendition of my build. I chose an Aussie locker from the Aussie locker website for 228 dollars plus shipping.

A quick surf of the for sale boards at the local offroad forums netted me some Dana 44 3.73 gears for a bargain basement price(free!). Score!


This is where I have to tell anyone who thinks they can just drop in a new gearset and button it up is wrong. If you intend on just trying it anyway, you might as well go ahead and fire up your torches and cut the axle in half, and then punch yourself directly in the gonads because you would be doing the axle and yourself the same amount of justice as a disinformed gear install. My advice is IF you are going to do this yourself, have the followng available to you:
- master install kit for your axle
- the old pinion and carrier bearings
- a dial caliper capable of .001" increments
- a dial indicator with adjustable magnetic base capable of .001" increments
- a dremel tool with grinder bit attachment
- access to a bearing puller and press
- torque wrenches capable of the appropriate preload torques, ring gear bolt torques, and bearing cap torques


The way I did business was to take off the old bearings carefully and Dremel out the inner diamter so I could have a set of test bearings for the carrier and pinion, therefore minimizing the amount of times I have to pul the actual pressed new bearings off and back on again.

naturalbornmudder
03-10-2009, 09:32 PM
I did my own install and after some fighting, pulling things apart, and borrowing some extra tools, I have a good gear pattern and a mostly installed junkyard axle.

Checking the backlash
http://www.frozenaxles.com/picture.php?albumid=6&pictureid=211

Too much backlash. Needed to add shims to push the carrier further into the pinion gear.
http://www.frozenaxles.com/picture.php?albumid=6&pictureid=207

backlash, part 2. Super expensive tool loaned thanks to Holeski from NorAKor. Eric, you're a pimp and a scholar!
http://www.frozenaxles.com/picture.php?albumid=6&pictureid=208

AKMark
03-10-2009, 09:36 PM
Bout time you get the axle work going. :D

Wish I could lend a hand...... Oh wait, I can really soon.

naturalbornmudder
03-10-2009, 09:40 PM
I finally got my gear pattern right, all of my torques correct, and now the most important part of reassembly.

Proper cleaning. Clean all of your bearings, your housing, your axle shafts, brake assemblies, and the whole 9 yards with a good brake cleaner. ended up using 2 cans.

Oh,ho, what's this? This isn't an old pic of the axle from a while ago. I finally got the axle shafts back in, the diff cover on, and filled full of fluid.
This is where you want to be smarter than me and remember to replace the pinion seal before re assembling and filling with diff fluid.:o
http://www.frozenaxles.com/picture.php?albumid=6&pictureid=216

http://www.frozenaxles.com/picture.php?albumid=6&pictureid=218

arcticmutt
03-11-2009, 04:26 AM
Your going to regret wleding on that after you have cleaned it with the brake fluid.....:hah:

naturalbornmudder
03-11-2009, 06:13 AM
Your going to regret wleding on that after you have cleaned it with the brake fluid.....:hah:
I don't clean anything with brake fluid. The brake cleaner evaporates pretty fast. Don't think is too much residual chemical left on the steel.


Shopping list:
new pinion nut
new pinion seal
wire brush

To-do list:
-install new pinion seal and pinion nut
-clean the axle housing some more
-prepare donor brackets
-measure driveline/measure diff housing length for comparison

arcticmutt
03-11-2009, 07:17 AM
Thats what I meant :sorry: The brake cleaner leaves a residue that when you weld on it, it stinks really bad


check to see if the wife has any unscented nail polish remover that is acetone based any wipe it down with that. :D

naturalbornmudder
05-08-2009, 07:05 AM
Started tacking on the bracketry last night. The key to this is "tacking on". Enough to hold the brackets in place but also small enough where you can knock it loose with a hammer should one need moved to compensate.
First off, set the pinion at the correct angle for your rig, lift and driveshaft. I went with 9*.
While the stock Dana 35 is offset to one side almost 2 full inches, the XJ 44 is offset to the other side 5/8". That is where some confusion set in so Mel and I took to using some basic geometry in our measuring skills to get the spring buckets and the track bar bracket in line. Those 3 particular brackets will not have a lot of leeway in their mounting. The control arms and the shock mounts have a little more give to them.

The Dana 44 brake line junction ended up being right in the way for where the track bar bracket should go so I pulled the junction and filled in the hole with some weld. Since the brake line junction is separate from the breather tube, this is not a big deal at all. Mel suggested welding a bolt upside down on the axle tube and fastening the brake line junction to that.

Once I have all of the brackets tacked on, I will triple-check the location distances, then plan a date to pull the Dana 35 out from under the ZJ. The best way to do that is to use an engine hoist to the rear receiver hitch and jack the rear end of the Jeep up to unbolt the 35 and prepare to bolt in the 44.
After I have the 44 in and I am sure that it is functioning well, I will scalp the rear disc brakes off of the ZJ 35 and do my rear disc conversion.

sevenslats
05-08-2009, 07:39 AM
...After I have the 44 in and I am sure that it is functioning well, I will scalp the rear disc brakes off of the ZJ 35 and do my rear disc conversion.

Maybe if I have that on-hand, I'll jump on one of these four $350 8.8s a guy down here has.

Of course, I ain't going anywhere on these street tires. :rolleyes:

naturalbornmudder
05-08-2009, 07:47 AM
Geoff, do you still want the brackets from my ZJ 35? After comparing Matt's 8.8" Ford axle and my Zj Dana 44 axle, you wouldn't be in bad shape at all going with the 8.8. Larger diameter axle shafts than the 44, a little bit bigger ring gear, rear discs already on there. The only downfall is the difference in width and the C Clip still in the 8.8.
The rear disc conversion appears easy. Just need to press off the axle shaft bearings and add the new retaining brackets.

The Bronze
05-08-2009, 08:23 AM
Geoff, do you still want the brackets from my ZJ 35?

You would have better luck talking into your closet. I haven't seen him on here but a few times in the past month.

The Bronze
05-08-2009, 08:25 AM
And then what do you know, a post by Geoff right before I posted that. Excellent work Geoff, making me look stupid is something I can usually do just by myself. :)

wayne_l
05-08-2009, 08:58 AM
so is this axle swaped yet u been talking about this for months lol ?

naturalbornmudder
05-08-2009, 09:15 AM
you know how it goes...
work
starting a new club
more work
more starting up a new club
more work
more work

arcticmutt
05-08-2009, 11:16 AM
you bought the axle in cali :p

sevenslats
05-08-2009, 12:12 PM
Geoff, do you still want the brackets from my ZJ 35? After comparing Matt's 8.8" Ford axle and my Zj Dana 44 axle, you wouldn't be in bad shape at all going with the 8.8. Larger diameter axle shafts than the 44, a little bit bigger ring gear, rear discs already on there. The only downfall is the difference in width and the C Clip still in the 8.8.
The rear disc conversion appears easy. Just need to press off the axle shaft bearings and add the new retaining brackets.

I'm partial to Jeep parts, hence the lean towards an XJ d44. I need to hit up car-part.com again and see if that one is still in Twin Falls.

And, ZJ d30 + XJ d44 = 4.27 R&P :eureka:

naturalbornmudder
05-08-2009, 01:07 PM
if you are going to go with the XJ 44 I can send you all of the paperwork I did laying out the bracketry. Once I get the axle under there I can figure out if I did it right or not.
Because the XJ 44 is offset differently I am trying to figure out if that would throw off my measurements when laying out the measurements for the bracket placement.

sevenslats
05-08-2009, 08:29 PM
centerline of axle is centerline of axle. offset diff or not.

unless you measured wrong...

naturalbornmudder
05-08-2009, 09:13 PM
good point. I over thought it a lot so I didnt focus in on it that way.

naturalbornmudder
09-30-2009, 06:48 AM
took a change of direction. I am now putting this under project Jeepie so TJ bracketry now applies. I pulled the carrier and 3.73 gear set out last night. Need to pull the Aussie out of the carrier and gift out the gearset and carrier. Thanks to Shane and Ole, I have a 4.10 gearset in decent shape already on a 3.92+up carrier. Just need to pull the spiders, put in the aussie and re-check the pattern. I will go ahead and pick up a master rebuild kit for it while I am at it just to freshen everything up.
Then it's back to the matter of welding the brackets and re-running the new brake lines around the new brackets.

AJPTHNG
09-30-2009, 03:00 PM
I was wondering how long it would take before you decided to do this. :D

The_Ronster
09-30-2009, 03:11 PM
I still say VF9 it...

naturalbornmudder
03-13-2010, 09:24 AM
something is arising from the dead in my garage

reeferman
03-13-2010, 11:01 AM
:deadhorse: Sure!!

AKMark
03-15-2010, 08:34 AM
I'll take a bet this axle is still sitting in your garage on the bench come October.