Steering conversion?

[boostlesstj]

I was wondering what would be the pro's & con's of converting from the stock scissor type to the tie rod from tire to tire kinda like the link

http://www.quadratec.com/products/56116_200.htm

[rpiereck]

Not sure about the pros and cons, looks more user serviceable, and heavier duty too.

Trying to find a cure for that dreaded death wobble? I'd look for loose stuff in your suspension, enlarged holes, etc, do a really good balancing on your front tires, before throwing money on stuff that might look beefier than stock.

There are a few good threads at jeepdorum.com about death wobble:

http://www.jeepforum.com/forum/showthread.php?t=810577
http://www.jeepforum.com/forum/showthread.php?t=550005
http://www.jeepforum.com/forum/showthread.php?t=786823

[boostlesstj]

i've looked into it, if i'm gonna end up replacing stuff might as well upgrade! I also saw pics of it posted up and was curious. I have checked everything twice for tightness, i have a urathane track bar bushing that i need to put on. Running lower tire pressures seem to help alot too. i think i need to have the wheels road force balanced as well but i wanna go to 33's

[The_Ronster]

something is wrong with your setup, we just need to find it. Either something is loose, wornout, unbalanced, or just bad. Im headed out of town this week but I can help you track it down if you can wait until I get back.

[boostlesstj]

when are you headed out?

[boostlesstj]

anyone know where to get a road force balance in town?

[rpiereck]

anyone know where to get a road force balance in town?


I'd call around the big name in tires in town, someone must do it, try American Tire first, Alyeska, etc.

http://maps.google.com/maps?hl=en&num=50&um=1&ie=UTF-8&q=tires+fairbanks+alaska&fb=1&split=1&gl=us&view=text&ei=RmRTSouGCJLEsQP4qojtBg&sa=X&oi=local_group&ct=more-results&cd=1&resnum=1

[The Bronze]

Seekins Ford

University of Alaska Fairbanks.

[AJPTHNG]

If your looking to change out your steering I would think about going with ORO's U-Turn set up. Very stout and worth every penny! My steering has never been easier, I'm running 36" Iroks and changed over to this set up and it was like night and day, then I added a GenRight over drive pully and AGR Power Steering pump, I can be sitting still and turn them with one finger with ease.

http://www.arcticoffroad.com/forum/gallery/files/2/6/8/dsc00964.jpg

http://www.arcticoffroad.com/forum/gallery/files/2/6/8/img00004-20090615-1651.jpg

[boostlesstj]

your jeep was the one that made me look into it

[naturalbornmudder]

Matt, do you have an adjustable front track bar right now?

[boostlesstj]

i don't but, i'm running the same set up that Ron is on his

[naturalbornmudder]

usually if you are having death wobble issues( I assume you are having death wobble) swapping in an adjustable track bar up front takes care of it,.

[boostlesstj]

well I've got a urathane bushing that needs to be installed

[The_Ronster]

hes lined back up straight (from what I can tell anyway). I really think its a combo of things that are slightly out. How much did it improve after you lowered your air pressure? Did you rebalance your tires?

[boostlesstj]

i got it about 1/3 as much back from 55, i haven't had them rebalanced because i wanna upgrade to 33's with a better tread pattern

[The_Ronster]

My money is on the balancing. Run around 20lbs in the tires and you will probably be fine.

[boostlesstj]

is it ok to run the PSI that low? i've always had them up around 30

[Dr Brian]

for a load C tire on a TJ typical 'proper' road pressures tend to be 26 pounds. If your smart you can find the inflation table for your tire...I have yet to see the real deal for mine.

I ran about 20# for part of the winter as I didn't feel like airing up after a run. for summer you will probably overheat the tires and risk tread separation...

[99TJ]

I run 25 max in my stt's they are at 15 now, seem to be good.

[The_Ronster]

for a load C tire on a TJ typical 'proper' road pressures tend to be 26 pounds. If your smart you can find the inflation table for your tire...I have yet to see the real deal for mine.

I ran about 20# for part of the winter as I didn't feel like airing up after a run. for summer you will probably overheat the tires and risk tread separation...


I have never heard of anyone, and I have been doing this for a while, overheating an offroad tire on a TJ due to under-inflation. Now running on a flat thats a different issue all together.

There are lots of people here that run in the low to mid teens year round just because they dont have the ability to air back up after trail rides. I ran mine all last summer at 14lbs, not because I was lazy, I just didnt see the need to air back up...

[AKAMC]

I had death wobble in the Rubi for awhile. Turned out to be an alinment issue. But it still has a slight wobble and I'm hopping a steering stablizer will fix it.

[boostlesstj]

i'll have to check into that

[boostlesstj]

well it typically only happens at 55+ mph, before it would happen around 40mph

[The Bronze]

After dealing with this on a ZJ and WJ, I tend to believe that much of the problem lies in the wimpy drag link. The stock bar is very wimpy and just grabbing it and wiggling will get it start flexing. Imagine this with real road force. That's why the steering stabilizer tends to fix it when they get weak. It absorbs this vibration. I don't hang out of the jeep forums, so this may have already been addressed.